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Hey, Clifford, do you still plan to release a UseMod version 1.0 in 2002? Inquiring minds aren't minding their own business. -- MatthewSimpson :-)
I'm back in town now, off the road. It seems like the battle is up to me now. I have to reinstall my computer though, but I'll see what I can do. I'm really paralyzed by the shear cruftiness of the code. I think that I'll just unify the script with MeatballWiki, release that, and then start "refactoring" everything. Basically, I think I'm going to rewrite it just like everyone else has done. I'm going to do this my way because, ultimately, I want to turn the distribution into something public, a la MeatBall:PublicScript, and I have a vision of where that will lead the script--I want to develop UseModWiki on a UseModWiki. Of course, we cannot let the current situation last forever, obviously, so I think it's important for everyone to get angry enough to sort this mess out. -- SunirShah
I would also support a place where extroverted wiki founders can upload their patched scripts, and then we can comment on those here on this wiki. Then we have choice, and discussion, and one of these scripts will take off as "the" next script. There will be peer pressure to add feature X or Y, but not enough for feature Z, and so we get a very simple group thing going. The alternative would be to create a project on Savannah or Source Forge, with CVS and the people interested can use CVS to add changes, make branches, etc. -- AlexSchroeder
I've started work on a MeatBall:WikiAsSourceControlRepository for the UseModWiki base. I'm doing this on my local machine at the moment for a few reasons, like avoiding bandwidth and CPU costs, and also some selfish reasons. Once this starts to look good, I'll show Cliff. If he agrees, I'll upload the whole ball to usemod.com and continue from there.
Code reuse in this system is very fine grained, and in fact it's very reasonable to maintain several scripts off the same repository. This may make it valuable for people to not just post their scripts, but perhaps even develop their scripts publically. Then again, maybe not. I hate predicting the future. -- SunirShah
I agree that the idea of MeatBall:WikiAsSourceControlRepository. I hate I have done the job that someone else already have done. Particularly I am not good at perl programming, my code is a kind of nasty. The centralized repository in the wiki seems nice ideas like WikiPatches. I can check all of works involved in UseMod in the one place. Also I advocate to prepare the place where patched scripts are uploaded. Currently I am publishing my script at my wiki site [1], but most people who came here don't know that. Indeed MeatBall is publising the own patched script at (I forgot where), yet I didn't know that for long time. --TakuyaMurata
I only published the patched script a week before you wrote this. The patch history is incomplete as that only lists patches that I have done, which does not include those that The Cliff did while I was travelling in order to keep the universe from imploding. I would love to see all of us come together with our scripts in one place, no matter how diverse. I'm not one to force similarity on people because that is boring, but I am one to encourage sharing the resulting new ideas because that is what's fun! -- SunirShah
It's been quite awhile -- what's the story? -- BayleShanks
Well, Cliff is doing 1.0. I am doing 2.0, as in MeatBall:InfiniteMonkey. I didn't do any development for three months though while fruitlessly jobhunting. -- SunirShah